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A Feather in Your MCAP

The new IT architect title seems to be heading in the right direction, but the "board-level" comparison is going down the wrong path.

Apparently, Microsoft has finally gotten the message that MCSEs are tired of having CCIEs kick sand in their faces at the beach. At least, that’s one possible explanation for the Microsoft Certified Architect Program which was pre-announced at the TechMentor conference in Orlando back in April.

Then, in a surprise move, the first few MCAPs were introduced at Tech Ed as part of the "pilot program." Despite this, details remain a bit sketchy, but it’s clear that this is the most rigorous and difficult to obtain certification that Microsoft has ever offered. It includes both training and experience prerequisites, and requires project management and communication skills in addition to technical ones. It requires a written submission (though what form that will take remains to be announced) and vetting by a peer review board. You can read the publicly announced details, including the process that the review board follows, at http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/architect/.


Microsoft maintains that only about a quarter of the emphasis in the MCAP grilling is on Microsoft technologies, with the rest being general architecture and non-Windows technologies. The program is meant to take six to 12 months to complete and requires a substantial expense…exact figures have not been disclosed, but a sum of $10,000 has been bandied about as being in the ballpark. All in all, the message that Microsoft sent in the early discussion was "this is big medicine."

Of course, it’s the rare Microsoft announcement that gets made without the hyperbole meter getting pegged, and this was no exception. There’s just something about new products and programs that forces those folks to flights of exaggeration. Along with the details of the program came the positioning. According to Microsoft, the MCAP is a "board-level" certification and the process is comparable to getting your PhD by defending a thesis.

Um, yeah, sure.

Here’s some free advice for the Microsoft Learning team: launch the program and let people evaluate it, and then let’s see where it stacks up compared to board certifications and doctoral programs. Because frankly, based on the ten-plus-year history of Microsoft certifications to date, those are simply ludicrous comparisons on the face of it. Allow me to elaborate.

Board certifications, for those who aren’t immediately familiar with the term, are those things you see hanging on the wall of professionals like doctors and architects. (No, not the illustrated charts of the interior of your small intestine; the fancy certificates that say your doc really is qualified to poke cold instruments into your most intimate orifices.) They come from groups like the American Board of Pediatricians or the Alabama Board of Architects.

Notice something there? Those are not vendors. They are industry-wide groups and independent non-profit organizations, often with a governmental mandate to keep watch over professionals in a particular industry and geographic area. Now, Microsoft may well be able to put together a program that would be just as tough as one that a hypothetical American Board of Software Architects would administer. But no program spearheaded by a single vendor is going to have the same wide acceptance, respect and independence as one supervised by, well, an independent group.

As for comparing MCAP to a PhD…c’mon. I’ve been in a PhD program as have, I know, many people at Microsoft. Obtaining a PhD sucks down years of your life and requires performing research that makes an original contribution to human knowledge. And granting the PhD is a privilege that is rather jealously guarded by the institutions that already do it; you can’t just announce that you’re granting doctoral degrees and get away with it. There’s a whole, tough, accreditation process for institutions. Comparing the MCAP process to the PhD process is like saying that the gal who runs the corner grocery in my little one-horse town has the same job as Steve Ballmer. After all, they’re both CEOs of their own firms.

Now, don’t get me wrong. I think the MCAP is a great idea. I’ve been one of those folks clamoring for years for Microsoft to add a certification that can’t be easily obtained by spending a few thousand bucks on a bootcamp course or by spending an afternoon typing "braindump" into the search engine of your choice. But would there be anything wrong with calling the MCAP a rigorous, challenging certification that requires industry experience and a broad range of knowledge, rather than insisting on misleading and ultimately empty comparisons like "board-level" and "PhD-like"? Let’s hope that Microsoft delivers a certification that can be a source of pride for the elite few who obtain it. That will come from a serious attempt to set and maintain high standards, not from cheerleading and hyperbole.

Any chance you’ll go for the MCAP? Or is $10,000 and an oral exam just silly? Write me at mikeg1@larkfarm.com or post a comment.

About the Author

Mike Gunderloy, MCSE, MCSD, MCDBA, is a former MCP columnist and the author of numerous development books.

Reader Comments:

Thu, Jan 26, 2006 Anonymous Anonymous

Maybe this is already old news to be entitled to new comments, but since I totally agree with you on the assessment of the ludicrous pretense of having this certification be similar to a PhD, I had to comment about two previous Microsoft certifications that were redesigned exactly because of this megalomaniac "board" view: the old MSF Trainer certification (not be confused with the MSF Practitioner one) and the old MOF Trainer certification (not to be confused with the new one, which is very reasonable). Both were "board" certifications, but eventually they were redesigned them because it was so difficult to get certified that those programs fizzled with less and less people each year. Unfortunately the new MSF one just made it too easy, devaluing it. The MOF one got it right. I predict that the same redesign will happen with the MCAP. Otherwise it will disappear in irrelevance. And BTW, I work at Microsoft.

Mon, Nov 14, 2005 Greg Anonymous

When I passed my first MCSE, Microsoft gave you the benefit of a 1 year technet subscription (est $300) at a time when the information was useful and was not available on line. When I passed my MCSD, they gave you the benefit of a 1-year MSDN library subscription (est $100) when the information was not available on line. These were aimed at Microsoft's two focus groups: sysadmins and developers (they later thought DBAs could be a category too). As vendor certifications (such as Novell and Cisco), these were ok. I expect the updated ones to continue as new versions of the software come out. I didn't expect the sudden increase in the number of different certifications offered by Microsoft (unless their bread and butter OS and office sources are drying up and certification is the new cash cow). Much less did I expect the Microsoft Architect. (I guess Microsoft gave people what they asked for - last time that happened, no one bought the Edsel either!) I am disappointed with the direction Microsoft is taking with their certs. For the money spent on them, you now just get some 'feel good' and 'satisfaction' hooey and not much else. The ROI just isn't there anymore.

Fri, Nov 11, 2005 Mark Chicago

$10,000? Whose kidding who? It's silly. If Microsoft builds a reputation behind the cert, like Cisco did with the CCIE, then I'd think about it. But building such reputations take years. Who would volunteer to be the first person to pay 10 grand for a cert nobody is asking for?

Thu, Nov 10, 2005 Bill Phoenix

Another question is, what qualifies "the board" to be in a position to certify anybody? I have an MCSD on VB6 and *was* upgrading to .NET but after last weeks new cert announcements, I'm done. . .

Thu, Nov 10, 2005 longtime MIS pro LA, CA

This is an example of the Microsoft attitude... This is utter bullcrap... Can u believe the hubris of thinking that their technical/project management/communication certification --- certification for a product or even product(s) mind u -- should even be considered of the same difficulty (or made to be as difficult) as an MD or a PhD??? What incredible arrogance and stupidity... Information Technology (IT) is not brain surgery. If I wanted to be a brain surgeon, I would have gone the medical school. And I should expect to be paid as well as a Doctor too!
And of course, there are always those people who cheat using the "braindumps" -- why doesn't Microsoft do something about that, if they really want to improve the image or status associated with their exams?? ? I spent months and $$ passing the MCSE, only to find out that others (unqualified) had been memorizing bootleg tests (braindumps) and passing with little or NO knowledge. These are the people who devalue the MCSE and other certifications. It is not that the tests are not difficult enough; it is that it is possible to cheat using braindumps.

Thu, Nov 10, 2005 jason Minnesota

I'm with the "I have a good job and I like stability and beneifts" crowd. This cert will probably appeal more to the consultants who need to tout extra abilities. Why would any FTE want this cert other than for ego and who's going to pay $10,000 for that? Not my company. Any company that DOES pay for this program risks losing their new highly certified FTE to greener pastures unless they kick up the salary and benefits. What kind of companies need an MCAP resource and what will be the cost to hire one or rent one for a short or long term project? I know people complained about the value of the Microsoft certifications but is this the answer? Should it cost $10,000? Why not just jack up the cost of a Microsoft exam to $10,000 to thin the herd?

Thu, Nov 10, 2005 Jeff Anonymous

If I had 10K to spend, I would rather use it to work toward some business degree. Degrees don't become "legacy" in a few years. No need to recertify. Stay current - yes, but no new tests.

Thu, Nov 10, 2005 Anonymous Anonymous

I think that the program will only be marginally successful unless Microsoft gives some type of incentives for comanies that have an MCAP on staff. Some type of special discounts for companies that hire them or the MCAP is required, or for certain product sales, etc.. I am certified with several different vendors, but I orginally thought that my Novell cert was the key to my future:0. Get your higher degree for lasting value.

Thu, Nov 10, 2005 Keith Anonymous

Anyone who has put the time and money into gaining a PhD is going to scoff at something that claims to be equivalent - as long as they don't already possess it!

I hope certifications like this do take a chunk out of the lazy ridiculous education racket that we have built for ourselves. It is not THAT hard to get 6 year degree these days and plenty of know nothing morons have 4 year degrees. Stay in school with your parents money long enough and they'll hand you something you can brandy over the heads of the poor stiffs that work under you regardless of your actual mental prowess.

By and large, "knowing how" matters more than "knowing what" - Gian-Carlo Rota

Thu, Nov 10, 2005 Anonymous Anonymous

All you will need to know is how to patch systems, daily.

Thu, Nov 10, 2005 Anonymous Anonymous

If my company can bill me out for another $10-$30 per hour as a result of this cert you bet they are going to fund it. Time will tell whether the cert and those that achieve it provide enough extra perceived value that a billable rate bump is justified.

Thu, Nov 10, 2005 Graham Anonymous

I imagine most people with the knowledge, time (and money!!) to take part in this will already be in a great job and there is no purpose in them obtaining the certification - if they are planning to look for a new job their experience will say more than a printed piece of paper from Redmond.

I get the impression that the Microsoft certification group only listen to a noisey few.

Wed, Nov 9, 2005 MCSE MCSA OKC

I would attempt the cert if I thought it would get me something. I have found more solace in my masters degree than either of my main MS certs. I thought that an MCSE would help me in my career, what a mistake that was. Why would I spend 10K on a new cert that may last 3-4 years? I need more proof that it is worthwhile. I've read the MS hype, and I find it to be more BS like the rest of the marketing hype surrounding their certifications. There certainly needs to be an industry certification of this caliber, but I don't think MS is the vendor to do it. To be honest, I really don't know of a vendor that could offer this type of a certification. Maybe they need a better review panel and credentials like the CISSP certification, i.e. ISO standardization. I would go for something like that.

Wed, Nov 9, 2005 mcse Anonymous

Interesting - comments from workers in companies seem to be "why bother, I have a job." Comments from consultants seem to be "is there more money in this for me ??"
This program is oriented to the real pro's in this field, not the amateurs that complain about the cost and can not even think past their current job.

This program should stay, just to show the snobby Phd's in this world that it is possible to become an expert in a field without having to go to a university for several years. It is possible to contribute to society and learn at the same time.

Wed, Nov 9, 2005 David Australia

I think it comes down to awarness. If MS are going to heavily promote this as a benchmark for Technology Architects and organisations begin to rate it highly as an acceptance criteria for senior well paid positions, then there may be more of an uptake up I personally would invest the time & $$. The majority of employers have only heard of MSCE, higher certs like CISSP , CCIE and SANS are still realitively unknown and offer little value in comparion to a basic MCSE in terms of career investment $$

Wed, Nov 9, 2005 Darlene Sammis NY NY

Lets separate the real Techs From the WANNA BEs......Set up a Real Network
Make some real Problems happen and watch the MCSEs and all the ABCDs certs pee their Pants

Wed, Nov 9, 2005 Frank Bruno Tampa Florida

Microsoft math 400,000 certifications x $750.00 a Knucklehead=WOW let make-em Think these are worth $10,000 a Knucklehead NOW DO THE MATH JAAAAAAAACK OFF !!!
Ya Gotta Be Kiddi'n Me you actually believe this and the red suited guy flies down your chiminey....YAH RIGHT !!!!

Wed, Nov 9, 2005 integrationarchitect S. Florida

Ditto. With the travel and hotel and meals for a for board review it could cost more..... I think a few companies would pay more for this kind of consultant but how would this type of high end certification increase the persons billing rate per hour? How long would this last at the higher rate? What occurs when the platform changes every 2 to 3 years? Go for the MCAP upgrade exams all over again in front of the Board?

Wed, Nov 9, 2005 Anonymous Anonymous

Fascinating. For years we hear nothing but complaints about how weak the MCSE program is. So Microsoft Learning responds and produces a program that promises serious differentiation for the uber-geek. This looks to me like it is doing exactly what it is intended to do - separate the seriously skilled from the moderately skilled. I smell fear. Very cool!

Wed, Nov 9, 2005 Anonymous Anonymous

Another Useless Certification. I dont see the need for it from a hiring aspect. Who really needs that level of certification anyway?. Its more about ego stroking and nest feathering than providing proof of usefull knowledge and skills. Vendor based certifications are doomed , they just don't provide the return on investment and are rarely a true measure of true ability. They are fast becoming a waste of everyones time and resources.
I agree, a person would be much better off putting their time and money in pursuing an MBA, or PHD THEY aren't going to expire or go obsolete in a couple of years. This is just more self-agrandizing hot air from Microsoft.

Wed, Nov 9, 2005 Juraj Vancouver

As a Systems Architect I'd have to perform a ROI on obtaining this cert and quite frankly I don't think it will fly. I just don't see my company paying 10k for a Microsoft certification - the benefits are just not there.

Wed, Nov 9, 2005 nawar75 Canada

MCAP is for people who have computer degree (maybe), have high level certifications and well experienced (for sure).
Someone with the above profile wouldn’t be interested to invest 10K for a Microsoft certification , you can get MBA or PMP with that money , which will fit better with that profile career wise.
I was excited and waiting for further details on MCAP but didn’t imagine it will be this time and money consuming process.

Wed, Nov 9, 2005 Jeremiah Anonymous

To be honest, why? If you're working for a company that needs more than a MCSE, you'll need to concentrate on other vendor certs (hell, you should do that anyway). Microsoft (and MCSEs) need to get over this inferiority complex they have. MCSEs and Microsoft have their place in the IT world. Cisco has theirs.

Wed, Nov 9, 2005 Anonymous Anonymous

The problem is that boards, etc are very subjective. It is difficult to go through, but I'd agree, its no PhD. I guess the market will dictate is it worth the expense vs. value. Will companies demand or pay for someone who is 'board certified'.

Wed, Nov 9, 2005 Anonymous Anonymous

No way will I waste money, time, and effort on Microsoft certifications. Just last week MS announced significant architectural shifts (SAAS) that will radically change the Windows platform in the next few years. By the time someone is awarded the designation it will be obsolete. Get a Master's or Phd they have value and last a lifetime not a couple of years.

Wed, Nov 9, 2005 John Mason Anonymous

I am a Sys Ad working for the US Govt. I also am an MCSE, MCSA and A plus certified. Big deal right? I spent a lot of time getting those certs.

Additionally, I have little to no time to invest (not even counting 10K) in a painful sounding, time-consuming process that probably will never bring me a return on my investment.

My job keeps me busy and is fairly well paid. I probably will never try to get this new cert.

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